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SCOD News Updates – SNU

Posted in news, POB Audio, Politics, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , on March 10, 2017 by Drogo

SNU – Scod News Updates

Total News Satire, SNU is Social Commentary through Comedy – Covers Home, National, International, Solar System, Universal

As corporations control the media, it is vital we BECOME the MEDIA as much as we can. Listen, learn, investigate, share with others as much as you can; even if you are a not into boring news, you can make information that affects us interesting and creative. It is the only way to hold politicians accountable, as Trump fires attorneys and press. Feminism is important because men have been raping people and the planet a bit too much.

I love this series because it is a combination of some of my favorite shows: Twilight Zone, SNL Weekend Updates, Daily Show, Colbert Report, and many other comedy, music, and sci-fi ideas. Most importantly I care about it because it allows me to express my deep frustration with many problems that we face in society and civilization as a whole. I can press the ‘pedal-to-the-metal’ with my punk rock commentary, using dark satire and jokes. I leave it to true hippies to make only uplifting happy shows that don’t hit hard and prefer to tip-toe on egg-shells.

“Allow me to say some stupid things, and adjust my tie.”

“Thanks for listening, and remember to keep consuming commercial products and polluting.”

News Anchors: Dr. Robot Shit-for-brains, No One, Mr. Nono, Speedy the Hyperactive Hypochondriac, Constantia Erdogan, etc…

Theme music: Star Trek Voyager & Deep Space 9


Series Episodes:    1. March 10, 2017  ;  2  March 11, 2017  ;  3  March 12, 2017  ;  ;   ;



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Socrates and the Problem of Democracy

Posted in Critical Commentary of Civilization, History, Philosophy with tags , , , , , on February 28, 2017 by Drogo

A generation before Socrates; Empedocles, Anaxagoras, and Democritus; practiced their philosophical teachings, laying the foundation for social dialectic epistemology. In just a few generations, philosophers went from theorizing about Nature (primal elements), to focusing on human mental and social abilities to know truths. Philosophers were often used by leaders to build theories and machines to wage wars against other leaders. In this way philosophers were similar to priests, in how they often were paid to sway public opinions for political support using ideas. However, rather than using the traditional pantheon of magical mythologies as priests did, philosophers used new ideas that could be embraced by practicing an eastern love of Wisdom (Goddess Sophia), that involved rhetorical talk persuasion, and mental reasoning aided by inner spirits called daimons (acknowledgment of self-ignorance and commitment to continual self-knowledge through dialog). Knowledge is virtue, not because of any power it earns, but because self-aware humble piety is good; as with the best comedy, the virtue of knowledge is that it can save us from ourselves, if we use it wisely. This is where we ended up with Socrates, and his conclusions about epistemology still resonate today on the streets and in the minds of many people regardless of class.

Few scholars take the time to investigate how events led up to the earliest, best form of government by the people, democracy, being responsible for putting to death one of the greatest philosophers in history. I will attempt to reconstruct how popular events and ideas may have resulted in official public conviction to execute a man who’s main crime seems to be that he asked too many questions of too many people, which bothered the existing system too much. Put simply, Socrates was killed by democracy because he was annoying.

This is a summary of Empedocles, Anaxagoras, Democritus, Socrates and the Sophists. Our main focus will be on how their philosophies related to their Greek politics and economics. Afterwards we will consider Plato’s Republic, and how the lessons of history can improve our current democratic government; based on the theory that ‘We the People’ can govern ourselves, and maintain civil rights economically and politically. This is why philosophical theory matters, because all our political and economic systems are based on people believing and practicing theories. Law and currency work because enough people agree that they have value. Laws are only suggestions unless they are enforced using ‘real’ actions. Money has symbolic mental worth to lives, which is used to get ‘real’ material property and control the minds of those that want it, so that they do ‘real’ work for a boss or client.

I’ve never heard anyone frame a talk on this before. To clarify the issue, it may be a conflict of disciplines is to blame for our collective ignorance on the subject. History, Politics, Philosophy, and Psychology are now treated as separate disciplines that should be legally kept divided so that a few professionals can make all the money, while keeping the public safe from those that might install ‘unsafe systems’ (AIA). Do not believe those false authoritarian dictates, whose laws mainly serve the elite few, and do not allow that even the poorest person may make good designs.

Professors usually skip through the ‘pre-socratics’, cover the basics of Socrates, and then move on to Plato’s responses; which of course was to propose the Oligarchy of the Republic because democracy had killed the wisest man, and because Macedonian emperors would soon rule Athens. Plutocrats tend to think they know best, simply because they have money which is power in a corrupt Capitalist system. The story of the trial of Socrates, should really be an invitation for all of us to put democracy on trial in a much larger way, and begin to resolve the problems of self-governing; which is not just about demagogue representatives, but more importantly about what ‘We the People’ want.

Democratic problems might be described as mass commercial competitive propaganda, and unethical majority mob bigotry; which can perpetuate cycles of unbalanced emotional vengeance. Those problems are not exclusive to democracy, but what makes democracy better than oligarchies is rule by the many, that everyone has a vote, and at least the majority rules. Why is it good for all people to have a say in how they are governed? It is important to empower people with the evidence that their vote matters, otherwise they will lose interest in supporting the government, and ‘representative’ government can easily fail to care about the majority of the population, regardless of whether those representatives were elected by the people or installed by only a minority of elites (oligarchy). Direct vote elections by the people needs to have power at the highest levels, not just the lowest levels, or risk complete system failure due to internal apathy and deceit. All people having a vote in democracy means that all people have a value in society, even if they are mentally or physically sick or disabled, homeless, or cannot provide for themselves in normal ways. Good political leaders are inclusive and represent proportionately majority and minority agendas, by proposing democratic laws that can get popular support from a majority of the actual population, not just corporate business campaign donors.

Ethical fairness and justice for all, means that progressives must challenge existing laws which conservatives think are working fine. The Left Wing must constantly beg the Right Wing to not be so abusive to the majority, while the Right Wing must constantly tell the Left Wing it should be grateful that the majority are not abused more, because free-thinking liberals and war veterans are hard to restrain, and liberals and veterans do not have the economic power of corporate business campaign donors, so they should shut up and stop causing problems for the current oligarchy that got entrenched by laws they said were good for all, but lied about or were wrong.

The philosophical problem of democracy, or any political governing system, is also the psychological problem of individual minds. The natural self-destructive urges we feel, are also related to the problems of larger social systems (Freud). This truth is why Socrates not only put his accusers on trial, during his own trial, but he also put himself and everyone he met on trial, every day, for many years. Socrates was dedicated to the concept that we could make things better by actively and constantly pursuing knowledge, by admitting our own ignorance. This process was called philosophy, or loving Wisdom.

The historic context that set the stage for philosophy, was a Greece recovering from a dark age after the fall of the Mycenaean Empire. Whatever the reasons for the Greek system collapse, it happened. A society can be judged by comparing the property and power of their leaders with that of their people, regarding fairness and equality. Empires are not considered ‘just’ civilizations, because they tend to have plutocracies that perpetually wage war to keep the masses enslaved to their unfair system. Smaller countries tend to hold their leaders more accountable for their actions, and therefore successful leaders may be upper-class, but they can not own much more than average people, if they want to be beloved by the people as one of their own. Tyrants in city-states can be overthrown quicker than those controlling vast Empires.

During this dark age, Greece probably was dominated by constant violent despotic regimes, plagues, and famines. The diminished populations of the Dark Age abandoned writing, transitioned weapons from bronze to iron, many cities and towns vanished, and the redistributive economy collapsed. The Trojan War was long past, and the subsequent Western (Aeneas in Italy) and Eastern (Philistines in Palestine) settlement colonies by migrant veterans had dissolved into ‘native’ populations.

Most of our knowledge of the Greek Dark Age comes from burial sites, weapons, and geometric art on pottery, with no written records. Eastern empires began to grow and threaten Greece again, around the time that Greek writing was reborn (from Semitic), and philosophy began in Eastern Greece. Persians were just the latest large group of migrants that had come to power in Mesopotamia. Greece was a collection of city-states (polis) run by kinship groups and family households (oikoi).

Greek History leading up to Classical Age Athens

900-700 BC – Dark Bronze Age ends, Archaic Iron Age begins: Homer

600 BC – Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes – World Prime Element

500 BC – Classical Age begins: Heraclitus, Pythagoras, and Parmenides

400 BC – Empedocles, Anaxagoras, Democritus – Universal Powers

300 BC – Socrates, Plato, Aristotle – Sophists, Society, & Politics

Chieftains were the main leaders of villages, and they were buried in heroons (hero shrines). the main economic resource for each family was the ancestral oikos plot of land, the kleros (allotment); without which a man could not marry. Greek culture was very bardic, as so much of their lives revolved around mythical and legendary stories, songs, and plays at community theaters.

Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes created theories of the primary elements of Nature. Then Heraclitus, Pythagoras, and Parmenides argued about change vs non-change with Math as religion. Empedocles, Anaxagoras, and Democritus addressed universal powers like the elements of nature and love and discord. They were upper-class Classical Age humanitarians dedicated to education and love more than war. The groundwork was laid for the Sophists, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle to talk about laws, careers, epistemology, virtue, and metaphysics. The world was about to get weirder.


Now let us review: Empedocles, Anaxagoras, and Democritus. (click on names)

So to summarize all of these pre-socratics, they were very dedicated to the first scientific inquiries that we have on historic record; and then suddenly, shit got weird, and the first democracy in the history of human civilization put a retired mason, an unemployed teacher by the name of Socrates, to death for wanting to learn the Truth. Next we will revisit the story of the famous Socrates.


Socrates was from Athens, Greece circa 400 BC. He was a philosopher, stone mason, soldier, and mentor. He was considered a public gadfly because he would stand around the stoa and engage random people in his pedagogy by a ‘method of dialogue’ (elenchus) which involved asking questions to arrive at truths. Socratic dialogue uses deductive reasoning to advance epistemology. Although the Delphi Oracle said that “None was wiser than Socrates”, Socrates believed this was only because he was more aware of his own ignorance. Socrates annoyed prominent Athenians so greatly they put him on trial and sentenced him to death; which he eventually accepted, despite his suggestion that they pay him for his public services instead.

His ‘dialectic method of inquiry’ supported his assertions that knowledge equals virtue, questions lead to excellence, and knowledge of self, friendships, and community was more important than pursuit of material wealth. He refused to be a career politician because he did not feel comfortable telling others how to live, when he himself was not sure. He called his intuition on matters of courage and honesty his ‘inner daemon’.

Golden Rules of Socrates:

“I only know that I know nothing.”

“As the Delphi Oracle says: Know thyself.”

“The unexamined life is not worth living.”

4 Virtues: Justice, Wisdom, Courage, & Moderation

“Everything in moderation. Nothing in excess.”

“Do not do to others, what angers you if done to you by others.”

“Be kind to everyone, as though they are fighting a hard battle.”

The Oracle at Delphi seemed to support Socrates. Apollo was the main god of Delphi, but the older tradition of interpreting the Pythia prophet was an ancient religious power which once dominated from Egypt to Crete, Greece, and Indo-European lands where priests and priestesses worshiped horned bulls and snakes. Christianity eventually destroyed Delphi, and Snakes were ‘chased out of Ireland’, but many religions still consider those animals sacred; and the history of those animal cults is very long.

Wisdom according to Socrates meant the use of knowledge, but also knowledge of ignorance. Even Socrates had habits and repeated or contradicted himself hypocritically as humans do. Yet he asked “what is the way we ought to live?”, and consciously and socially contemplated social norms, to improve life and gain self-knowledge (which is akin to self-love and ability to love others). We should examine life, and find out for ourselves ‘what good is happiness’? Wrong doing, even willful wrong doing, is a result of serious ignorance. Knowledge was virtuous if it could be used to balance courage and temperance, and Socrates believed that knowledge used wisely was equal to virtue.

A veteran of the Peloponnesian wars, Socrates had lived through the horrors of battle, famine, and plague. He had witnessed hoards of his fellow soldiers, men of Athens, be shipped to their slaughter abroad and massacred here at home. The greatest hero of Athens, Pericles, his mentor Anaxagoras, and the military generals too, all paid for their political ambitions which had built Athens up, and taken Athens to war, and brought it down. Socrates was not a fan of the rich Acropolis glitz that Pericles had insisted was needed to make Athens great. He had gone to war to serve his country, and the wisdom he was teaching appealed to the young men of Athens, who once ‘corrupted’ with a love of wisdom began resisting authority.

Review Plato’s writings about Socrates (click on link)


It seems there were always economic incentives for political wars, and they are almost always based on irrational greedy ambitions, that far out-weigh any practical humanitarian morality or ethics. How do greedy people convince others that their ambition is better than being humble? Three main reasons for the success of Corporate greed spring to mind: first they use envious bigotry; then they use loyal patriotism, and finally it is obvious to all rational citizens that war reinforces the economic driving force of the system that employs most workers. Those reasons for war and torture however, pale in comparison with the reasons based on the best things in life which to the wisest are love, happiness, and peace. The best national dreams cannot be tied to a heartless, soulless system.

The system of ‘Progress’ defined as ‘always taking more and more’, is destroying our environment and causes wars. Call it ambition, greed, corporate marketing, commercial consumerism, or corrupt Capitalism. No laws yet tried seem capable of constraining beasts who are successful at the cost of countless others, and no free-market theory seems realistic at a large scale (ironically much like Communism). We know that unbound competition breeds hateful resentment in losers, and ruthless monopoly or egotistical pride in winners. It is proven that companies prefer to hire thugs like the Pinkertons or call in law enforcement, rather than bend to the will of the people. The natural truth of this can be realized when one considers how twins from birth may become like Janus opposites, if nurtured diametrically. The twin that is taught that they are good, and given rewards, becomes convinced they are good; and the twin that is taught that they are bad, and taken from, becomes convinced they are bad. Whether the twins are actually good or bad, may not matter if they are convinced they are those things, and they convince others that they are ‘truly’ those things. This is why to every above-board system, there will be an under-ground.

Yet we allow our rulers to wage war, and worse yet, we allow them to make us do it too, with purchases we make and taxes we pay. All it takes for bad things to happen in politics, is for good people to take no responsibility and allow bad leaders to make them complicit in national crimes against humanity. The tools of teaching and communication are available to the masses more now, than ever before in history; therefore it is more possible to have a more informed public than ever before, that is also more self-aware through network-hive complexity. It may be necessary to deconstruct our addiction to industrial consumption, commercial propaganda, and corporate consumerism; and relegate those obsessions to children’s cereal boxes, toys, and sports paraphernalia.

NEXT LECTURE: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle – Sophists, Society, & Politics

Also let us not forget about Diogenes the Cynic (circa 410-320 BC)!


Why this lecture is relevant now in 2017 – Trump

I had been putting off writing this essay because the complexity of the setting, subject, and topic kept me exploring the mysteries involved. Mysteries lost in time like myths, are hard to grasp. The legends of Socrates were certainly told in different ways when they were first written. The comedy plays that depicted him were caricatures, similar to our political cartoons in newspapers, comedy shows on television, and tabloids all wrapped up into live theater performances. This essay means only to introduce novices to these mysteries, and suggest that an epic movie could be made that covers this period in Greek history. Every area of human life could be addressed in the telling of this story.

SCOD member Sir Jeffy the Psychologist Astrologist, said he was getting more interested in ‘street epistemology’ and the art of dialectic or philosophical dialog. I told him that is the reason that Socrates is so famous and loved by people continuously; his dedication to challenge people to share what they think they know with others, ask others what they know, then to reconsider what they think they know, and to think for themselves by repeating this process as often as needed. This dialectic method makes for intensely deep conversation, and is not just playing ‘devil’s advocate’ by arguing opposing ideas for no reason, the goal of true knowledge is important. We should not just accept what others tell us is true. Thinking and evidence was not even enough for Socrates, as his search for truth led him to actually confront others face to face, and directly challenge their intelligence, knowledge, and wisdom on any issue, and at any time they were in public. This dynamic socratic theory does not allow its practitioners to successfully submit to authorities, like average industrial age workers are expected to, as is the case in modern Greece where workers continue to unionize against bosses.

The problems inside humans are often the same problems in politics. Problems manifest socially, often before leaders catch on, just as internal problems in an individual go undetected and then avoided. Then of course, there is the problem of Power, and the tendency for psychopaths to be attracted to power. Psychopaths are too egotistical and vain to care about other people. Sociopaths at least care about those they can control. There are hybrid psychopath-sociopaths, like Dexter, and they can be highly functioning politicians. When the psychopath cannot handle their own psychosis, we might call them schizophrenic, as their ‘break with reality’ becomes evident and unacceptable to themselves and other people. Internal discord is the root cause of narcissist tyrants like Hitler, Stalin, Nixon, and Trump. They cannot be nurturing or loving for long enough to convince anyone who has a free-will, that they should give up their freedoms to serve them, so they must use bully words and brute force. These worst of demagogs of mankind, must be questioned publicly using socratic method, and exposed as frauds. False and untrue leaders should not be allowed to rule, and democracy must meet this challenge by constantly striving to be correctly informed, and question its own perceived truths.


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Encyclopedia Britannica*, Socrates to Sartre, and other philosophy books

Dr. Sadler’s Philosophy videos on Youtube – thank you Greg!

Jeff Milette – SCOD “psychological astrologer” aka rehabilitation counselor

West Virginia Coal Mine Wars – Corporate war against workers is real!

Socrates’ criticism of democracy*

“Socrates’ analysis of the hatred he has incurred is one part of a larger theme that he dwells on throughout his speech. Athens is a democracy, a city in which the many are the dominant power in politics, and it can therefore be expected to have all the vices of the many. Because most people hate to be tested in argument, they will always take action of some sort against those who provoke them with questions. But that is not the only accusation Socrates brings forward against his city and its politics. He tells his democratic audience that he was right to have withdrawn from political life, because a good person who fights for justice in a democracy will be killed. In his cross-examination of Meletus, he insists that only a few people can acquire the knowledge necessary for improving the young of any species, and that the many will inevitably do a poor job. He criticizes the Assembly for its illegal actions and the Athenian courts for the ease with which matters of justice are distorted by emotional pleading. Socrates implies that the very nature of democracy makes it a corrupt political system. Bitter experience has taught him that most people rest content with a superficial understanding of the most urgent human questions. When they are given great power, their shallowness inevitably leads to injustice.”

French Revolution

Posted in Critical Commentary of Civilization, Economics, History, Politics, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , on February 24, 2017 by Drogo


By 1780 French commoners were angry with their ruler, King Louis XVI; and the way nobles ran their country. Although the government economy was suffering, nobles still lived in luxury and paid no taxes. Meanwhile the peasants and workers had to pay high taxes, relative to what they made, and there was not enough work or income for them all because the upper classes were keeping all the money. By 1789 the economy was broken, and the nobles called a meeting with the middle class. The middle class demanded that nobles pay taxes at least, but the nobles refused. This made the French masses of commoners furious. A crowd of poor people helped by soldiers, attacked and captured a large prison called the Bastille. After the storming of the Bastille, many other lower classes rebelled in other areas, the middle class took control, and most of the nobles were executed in a period known as the ‘Reign of Terror’. The military rage needed for the revolution, led to years of war campaigns and promoted war mongers like Napoleon, as greed and power was transferred and allowed to remain unchecked by humanitarian ethical philosophies. This is why revolution is never enough, if the natural tendencies of abuse and neglect are not addressed.






Posted in History, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , on February 19, 2017 by Drogo

‘Body of Secrets, Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency’; by James Bamford

1950s – “As the CIA report points out, human spies had effectively been put out of action.” Stringent security measures blunted traditional methods for spying. It was the age of American spy planes. In Georgetown, CIA Director Allen Dulles commuted to work. After emergency calls for a ‘Doomsday practice exercise’, helicopters carrying nearly 2-dozen senior NSA officials were flying south over Virginia. Their destination was a secret command center dug deep into Mount Weather in the Blue Ridge Mountains and built on a series of giant nuclear-shock-absorbing steel springs. Its code name was High Point, but politicians called it ‘the hide-out’.

1960s – Eisenhower had suggested creating a secret sabotage pretext to invade Cuba. The CIA & DoD created Operations Mongoose & Northwoods, which were secret plans to invade Cuba. They called for innocent Americans to be shot on the streets, refugee boats to be sunk, terrorism in cities, innocent people framed for bombings, planes hijacked, and tons of false evidence to blame on Castro. The Cuban debacle ‘Bay of Pigs’ was part of those plans, and actually launched a covert invasion to attack our own Naval base to incite war. Dulles mysteriously lied to Kennedy about the success potential of the operation, and so did others, and many soldiers were killed. NSA listened to their desperate dying pleas.

1970s – “Anything the NSA did is totally defensible” – Nixon

1980s – NSA instituted a dreaded unscheduled polygraph policy

1990s – “Thinking Machines Corporation delivered to NSA its first massively parallel computer – the Connection Machine CM-5 (Frostburg).”

2000s – Now they monitor all our communications.

2016 Media Black-out @ Standing Rock

Posted in Cooperatives / Communities / Networks / Travels, Critical Commentary of Civilization, History, Interviews, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , on September 30, 2016 by Drogo

DAKOTA Pipeline – Mass Arrests and Hostile Police Action Against Natives

I have not heard any major news source reporting substantially on this, and few people talking about the arrests weeks after it happened (until now). Not that there are any respectable news companies out there anyway. Our media and governments are being run by the Corporations directly. Blessings to these independent protest journalists. Please share this with everyone, only we can change things.

Oct. 3, 2016 NEWS:


Protest Lawyers website:




The War That Never Happened

Posted in History, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , on March 8, 2016 by Drogo

As offered by: Randall D. Bryhn

I stumbled across this story while doing other research. It’s a piece of history that up till now was in danger of being lost forever. To keep the story alive I have tried to send a copy to all my family, and friends. I have been to the Council Chamber many times to give offerings, and to play the flute. I personally believe the story to be true.
I thought you too might like a copy…
The history of the Native American people before the white man came has only been written after the fact, since the Native Americans had no written language. But many stories have survived, some as myths, others as legends. Another source is journals that white people kept as they lived with the Native Americans, but many stories have been lost forever. The events in this story happened as the Delaware Indian Tribe came into contact with the white man, so no written copies of the story exist. Only word of mouth and the existence of the Council Chamber itself have kept this story alive. If this war would have happened it’s quite possible the United States as we know it today would not exist.


It came to pass in those spring days, that strangers could be seen, and heard for miles away, as they blundered through the woods. Their comings and going would be so loud and disruptive, that it would take the forest hours, before it would return to normal. Was it any wonder then, that these strangers attracted so much attention? These people were not welcome here, where they went, they broke the ground, so that others of their kind could follow easily. It was not the way of the ones that lived there. The culture of the natives had always been to live with the forest, and become a living extension of it, always giving back what was owed, never taking what was not earned. This is the way of the Northern, and Mid Eastern Tribes, and Clans: as it had been for many generations, in and around the Hocking Valley Region. The natives were at first attracted by the very strangeness of these people, many things were learned, and many items were traded. Then the Delaware were able to witness the miracle, the White Man had created. They had harnessed lightning, and put it in a tube. It was at their very command, to destroy, or kill, as they chose.

The Delaware were amazed, but in their knowledge they knew, that if they were to survive as a people, they to would also need this knowledge. At first they tried to trade for it, and they had some limited success with that, but at some point they realized it wasn’t the firearm that was the miracle, it was the gunpowder that fueled it. So their quest turned to finding the chemical formula for mixing gunpowder. At first barter was used, but the formula evaded them. The white settlers that were first moving into the area just didn’t have that knowledge. Today it is easy to find the recipe to make gunpowder, but at the time it wasn’t common knowledge. It would have been in comparison as though

The War That Never Happened Cont.
someone had asked you to explain the circuitry in an FM radio. We may know how to work it, but we don’t have the technical knowledge to build one. That is the problem the Delaware faced over and over again, as they attempted to gain the knowledge they sought. Trading was proving to be no use, so the Delaware resorted to kidnapping, and torture, but still the formula for making gunpowder eluded them. Then one fateful day the decision was made, the Delaware would go to war, the next step was to call a gathering.
The first day of the gathering would have been a frenzied time, warriors that were always hard pressed to the food gathering labors, were doubly hard pressed to provide enough for the guest’s that would soon be arriving. The Delaware were a noble and respected people. Their clans were scattered far and wide across the Hocking Hills Region, and their warriors were fearless in battle. As the call to come went out among the tribes, all that heard responded. Favors given, and favors remembered, were used to motivate those who wanted not the seeds of war. The Delaware were persistent and many, although most were drawn to hear why they should take up arms against the white man, an air of festivity hung about the land. For days the council fire raged. Unlike most Native American fires, that are made very small, and easy to conceal, a war fire is built up, sometimes the fire would be built to three, or four feet high. The circle had to be large enough to sit each tribal chief, and each clan elder next to the fire. Immediately behind them, would be seated one, or two of the clans next warrior in line, and after that there would be women, and boys attending those up near the fire. This was a system that had been used for many generations. The fire raged for many days, the arguments ran back and forth like children let loose during the first spring thaw. The arguments rang true from both sides, to take up arms against the White Man was an unknown factor. As the days went by a consensus began to be reached. The Delaware knew they had been right in calling the gathering, because they knew in the end the Nations would need the secret of gunpowder.

On the third morning, as the story has been passed down from generation to generation, the ceiling exploded with unleashed fury. The tribal elders, the chieftains, and their braves were all killed in a fatal collapse of ceiling stone, as their fire was buried under a seven foot thick slab of stone that had been blown out of the ceiling. None of the braves, nor the women serving them, not even most of the children that were playing in the back part of the cave were spared from the unleashed devastation of the fall.

The front of the cave showing the rock fall thickness.


The people scattered, the explosion shattered their purpose and they fled the area, leaving the caves that had served as their homes for hundreds of years. The explosion was believed to be punishment from the Great Spirit, a rebuke for considering going to war against the white man. It was later thought the white man was protected from the power of the clans. The Delaware left the area. The spectacle of the Council Chamber broke the spirit of the Delaware. As a result of that try at war, the Delaware, and other tribes of the area, did not go to battle with the White Man, and were known as, ”Good Indians” to the White Man as the passed into the area. They became scouts and workers for the military, often succumbing to the bottle for payment, or becoming the butt of military harassment. Later the Shawnee would move into this area, and claim it as theirs.

The story that I have just passed on to you is an urban myth that has been passed down in the Hocking area for many generations. In their quest for gunpowder it is very ironic that the place of their gathering was later named the Salt Petre Mines of Hocking. The mines would serve to furnish the civil war with salt petre, one of the main ingredients of gunpowder. Also found in the walls of the cave, is a substantial quantity of naturally occurring sulfur. I had the occasion to ask a professional chemist if it would be possible that by adding wood char from the fire, and with the other ingredients found in the walls, would it be possible for an explosion like that to happen. I was told, with the introduction of wood char from the fire, and the buildup of heat, that it would be very possible for an explosion to happen.
The actual Council Chamber measures 29 feet across the mouth of the cave, with a estimated 54 feet of depth. The rock fall itself measured 27 feet wide at the mouth with the rock fall reaching 42 feet back into the cave. Only small children playing against the back wall would have been spared being buried alive.

Middle section of the rock fall showing the release from the area of the roof, and the almost total coverage of the floor.


Looking at the ceiling of the Council Chamber, it’s hard to believe that anyone could have lived through this.


This is a section in the back of the cave that seems to have escaped the collapse of the roof. It measured the full width of the back, approximately about 17 feet, and was about 12 feet deep. However, there was only about two and a half feet of head room. That means the only children, if any, would have been very small.
This story has never been authenticated by any authority, the area has been cordoned off, and it requires a special permit to access the area. Since the Council Chamber is considered a sacred place, a forensic or archeological study, has not been attempted here. However, unlike some urban myths that wither and die over time, this story has remained deeply entrenched in the culture of the area. Most stories of the tribes that have been introduced into history, have been provided by the white man, through diaries, and written accounts done by white individuals. However, this happened at a time before white men had time to interact, and become established with the natives of the area. Since the Delaware did not have a written language at the time it has become increasingly hard, to authenticate such stories. It is also entirely possible that if the Delaware would have been able to gather for war, and wage it, the America we know may never have happened. At that time, the eastern cities were only being started. Places like Boston, and Philadelphia only boasted a few brick buildings in each city. If a war started in the Ohio valley, would have raged Eastward, the way that America was colonized may have happened differently, if at all.
I offer this story in peace, as a remembrance.
Location is approximate, it is in a donut-hole location, on the Harvest Moon Cottages Property, Located on Big Pine Road, after the Conckle’s Hollow
Trail Head at Hocking Hills. The coordinates are: 39 deg. 27’ 39.44”N ,
by 82 deg. 32’ 48.05”W.

Maryland Indian Tribes

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Native American Indian Tribes in Maryland

The main existing Indian Tribe in Maryland seems to be the Piscataway. They are MD State recognized (finally), but as is often the case with bigoted bureaucracy not Federally recognized.

The Piscataway are a sub-tribe of the Conoy Tribe, one of the most prominent historic tribes of the Chesapeake Bay area. Their Algonquin dialect evolved from Nanticoke, having established roots here over 10,000 years ago as hunters and gatherers. They lived very much like the Potowomac Tribe, along the Potomac River; by 800 AD they grew maize, beans, squash, and pumpkins. Today there are 2 main Piscataway groups in Southern MD: The Nation (Chief Tayak), and The Tribe (Confederacy and Cedarville Band). They have no reservation land.

 2010: Frederick County had 800+ Residents that considered themselves Native American; Maryland Indians total: 25,000+ of which 8,000+ are Piscataway. Together with dramatic decreases in population due to disease, when American Indian reservations were dissolved by the Maryland Colony in the eighteenth century, and when the Piscataway were reclassified as “free people of color”, “Free Negro” or “mulatto” on state and federal census records in the nineteenth century, a process of detribalization was happening. While the Piscataway were enumerated as “mulattos” in state and federal census records, by contrast Catholic parish records and ethnographic reports continued to identify Piscataway individuals and families as Indians.

 Historically many tribes came together on the Rivers to barter:  Potowomac, Senedoes, Catawba, Iroquois, Tutelo, Saponi, Conoy, Piscataway, Delaware, Lenape, Powhatan, Shawnee, Susquehannok, Nanticoke… and they had populations of hundreds of thousands.

The old Maryland village of Piscataway where the Potomac meets the Chesapeake, must have been named as an homage to the tribe.

We do not have many records detailing how the all the tribes in Maryland looked; however we can generalize dress and appearance based on the many drawings and descriptions of Powhatans just south of Maryland in Virginia.


It is unclear why this map does not have the Conoy tribes on here; perhaps the Powhatan claimed Conoy land at some point during the records.

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