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The Problem of Systemic Change

Posted in Adaptive Reuse, Commercial Corporations, Critical Commentary of Civilization, Ethics & Morals, Futurist, Health & Fitness, History, Military, news, Rationality & Logic, Sustainability, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on February 29, 2020 by Drogo

Wave Pattern / Cyclical History Theory essay on civilization

Tidal Wave and Sail Boat[ Theme image – My ‘Tidal Wave and Sail Boat’ painting which is based on the ‘Great Wave’ by Hokusai with Van Gogh brush style. ]

Despite similarities of theories, violence vs non-violence is a critical factor for civil rights and modern history. Violent manifestos by the Unabomber or Discovery Channel Shooter, contradict the ethical wisdom of SCOD Theory. SCOD embraces more peaceful egalitarian democratic co-existence, because deconstructivist architecture can only go so far, until it has to be constructivist enough again to be utilized as shelter; the same SCOD theory applies to social systems as well. The problem of systemic change from intentional revolution is whether to advocate violence or non-violence; and how best to make needed changes. History and mythology tend to lionize violent war heroes; but modern history deviates from this due to the Civil Rights movement. 

The Netflix documentary on the Unabomber mentions the voluntary interrogation program (related to US secret agencies) at Ted’s University in relation to his psychology. I had not heard of it before, but it does sound very much like Project ‘Wormwood’ and other ‘MK-Ultra’ type operations that were unethical, and like war tend to create more terror. The paradox of using violence exists for the establishment as well as rebels. Very mathematical and scientific geniuses like Ted might have pre-existing mental health problems, but they need help rather than competitive character assassination which must lead to bodily incarceration or assassination. Despite their terrible methods, often terrorist rebels feel they are fighting for moral social or environmental justice. Their desire to do good can be encouraged with treatment, rather than pushed by further abuse or neglect. Hurting other humans tends to be less successful for defending causes, than non-violent civil disobedience protests and artistic expressions. 

SCOD theory favors peace and art not only as radical tools for social change, but also as parts of the utopian vision with which we would solve our problems and replace our systemic terror. The sadness of not being able to show your work to enough people to have a network of patrons, or the fear of not being worthy enough to do what you love are symptoms of a system that keeps us at perpetual war and in debt rather than free. Greater freedom means having more control over our own individual lives, and less dependent on the whims of others for the basics of life in civilization. The role of good democratic governments is to be run by the people, for the people. These reasons are why we like leaders like FDR (WW2 militancy aside), MLK, and Bernie Sanders. Environmental activist groups like Green Peace, ELF, Extinction Rebellion, and Sea Shepherd are disruptive so they make a social impact, but do not kill people.

Our corporate MIC (Military Industrial Complex) has our system so rigged, that paid players remove any real democratic opposition as ‘foreign influence’ aka ‘enemies of the state’ of the ‘War on Terror’ or the ‘NEW RED SCARE’. Our system bosses do not tolerate real change from third parties like the Green Party, because peace or environmental progress would reduce corruption. Corporate MIC propaganda war is a real problem.

Trump was a convenient democratic-republic glitch for corporations, as the system sometimes gets the ‘greater of two evils’ into office (see also Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I & II). Trump’s presidency was a result mostly of the corporate influenced electoral college and Hillary Clinton-DNC primary fraud. Corporate agents blame Russia for the Clinton-DNC emails getting leaked, but it was what was in the emails that turned blue states red (see WV and MI). Many voters hated Hillary Clinton so much that they voted for Trump, because at least he promised some of the liberal Bernie Sanders type changes (fighting corruption, universal health-care, and less wars). The obvious difference between Bernie Sanders and Trump is that Sanders has a successful record of fighting for populist positions like union worker rights over corporate profit; the campaign difference crucially enabled by grass-roots funding rather than corporate funding.

 The only way to hold the establishment accountable, is if you are not beholden to the criminals in power. The system usually removes peaceful potential threats like Tulsi Gabbard with smears, when they are too much against the MIC, and have too much credibility (Tulsi is an elected representative and veteran soldier), and tend to take assassination steps (foreign and domestic) when they have made too much change already (see history of CIA foreign coups, and the problematic Malcom-X, MLK, JFK, RFK cases). The Peace movement is not allowed to gain too much ground, because war is a racket for profit. People are beginning to see through the propaganda, I do not feel as alone anymore, from all the outlets I hear.

One famous example of internal change which can affect systemic change, is Dicken’s ‘Christmas Carol’. The main motivation which Scrooge will struggle with everyday after his Christmas morning revelation of joyful good-will, is his memory of the shocking awareness of self-made torture and terror that a snobbish demon of hell can be oblivious to otherwise. Religions tend to use both redemptive allegory (Jesus) and mythology (Revelation). Armageddon apocalypse mythologies are cyclical in that religions describe a ‘heavenly’ utopian life after death, before or after the next time a god decides to use their graceful warriors against their enemies. The Bible may promise eternal bliss, but it is quite clear that God can change his mind about promises if ‘Satan’ interferes (see Job). Although the ‘Beast’ may be defeated during one great war, it is clear that angels can fall from grace and become devils and demons who disobey. We have only one famous example, but how often it happens or what restrictions there may be in place at a later time are not at all clear. The Norse great apocalyptic war ‘Ragnarok’ is more clear about this wave pattern of decline and climax. The viking warriors believed that they must fight and die to go to the great hall (Valhalla) of Heaven (Asgard), where they would await the final battle of the gods after death, and the cycle of humans fighting and dying, and fighting as legendary deities would repeat again forever.

 

If we are the surviving minority, how would we make things better? How would our ‘good’ story of humanity resolve the problems of today in the future? Is it possible to have realistic and happy futurist visions?? I hope so.

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Socrates, Jesus, & MLK

Posted in Critical Commentary of Civilization, Ethics & Morals, History, Memorials / Obituaries / Epitaphs, Military, Philosophy, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , on January 29, 2020 by Drogo

Social Martyrs of History – Socrates, Jesus, & MLK 

Remembering Leaders Who Risked Their Lives for Civil Rights

 

For all the famous leaders there are countless common martyrs who sacrificed their health and well being for the sake of others and the pursuit of virtuous truth. In remembering the lives of great figures we know about, we can also reflect on their human flaws or imperfect traits.

The main three figures I want to talk about are Socrates Jesus and Martin Luther King Junior. The stories of Socrates, Jesus, and MLK (Martin Luther King Jr.) will always be relevant so long as there is an ambitious and hungry military, supported by plutocrats and a population that mocks peace and philosophy. Their stories are very similar, except that MLK wanted to actually have political change. They were despised by those in power for raising too many questions, and they were put to death for their influence. I will also mention Simon Bolivar and Martin Luther of the Protestant Reformation in reference to the topics, although they were not put to death by authorities. These are figures which were influential obviously in the annals of history, but more importantly they were people who questioned civilization. They bothered society as social gadflies. Simon Bolivar was more of a political-military leader and I don’t really know his biography so I’m not going to talk much about him; but he is largely unknown in North America although a local town is named for him.

Socrates (circa 400 BC) was a veteran and a retired stone-mason, who taught young men of Athens philosophy for free (unlike the Sophists who charged to teach legal rhetoric). Socrates was such a public nuisance about asking questions, that he was written into theater comedy plays as a ‘clownish fool’. Religion, plays, and politics were all wrapped up in each other as democracy allows; although with the growth of population these extensions became more specialized fields over time. Cultural systems were blended as they are now actually; but we tend to want to try to keep social functions separate. We might say “I don’t want to talk about politics”, but meanwhile our money is spent to kill people; and issues in politics, religion, and entertainment cross-over. However even back in ancient Athens people would say “Why are you asking me these stupid questions? I’ve got business to do, excuse me, but get away.” Socrates would insist on asking people what they knew about their business, life in general, and whether that applied to politics.

Socrates was getting people thinking, and the plutocratic military establishment did not appreciate it. Their industrial complex may not have been like factories with our modern mechanized technology; but there were workshops making weapons and leaders of armies who wanted to boss soldiers around, conquer other people, and get rich as an official leader. Athens had been at war with its neighbors, and had seen massive defeats. Ironically during a period that had despotism and imperialism, it was their democracy that put Socrates to death (see Plato’s writings).

One of the perennial problems of democracy is that it gets tricked by the oligarchy into voting against worker interests, to favor conservative benefits for the few. There will always be some people that want to hurt and bully others to extract resources and wealth from them, and selfishly take it as their personal property. War culture is part of male patriarchy for sure, and the ethics of that ‘might is right’ domination is now being questioned more than ever before by progressives. It took a long time for women to have civil rights in civilization. It took thousands of years for large countries to grant women the same power and influence that men were legally allowed. I am not sure why it took so long to recognize women as adults officially in public, they say it has to do with babies, muscles, and testosterone but this is not an essay on gender issues. My point is that many of us hope that democratic society is slowly becoming more compassionate every century, with a few massive steps back in some ways, some decades.

The problems of society were addressed by Socrates, Jesus, and MLK; and they were punished as enemies of the state. Socrates, Jesus, and MLK may have been peaceful, but they also threatened the establishment by wanting individuals to ask questions within the society. Philosophical questions threaten authoritarian control. Socrates bothering people in the market was stirring up the pot and getting people wondering “What is best? What do I know? What can I know?” We want to usually have will-power and self-esteem and confidence. We want to know that we have answers to problems. It was frightening for Greeks to think that they might not actually know how best to vote. They did not want to be blamed when they invaded somebody else; even when they got their asses handed to them and their soldiers maimed, crippled, and killed. Their most important leaders had told them that war was justified, so it must have been right; right? Who was this old foolish man to harass them with questions? So they put him on trial and sentenced him to death. 

Later Jesus came along from Galilee, Israel. So Jesus was Jewish, but he was questioning the laws defended by conservative Pharisees, Sadducees, King Herod, and of course the Imperial Roman overlords. These popular stories of Jesus are perhaps the most common myths in society today, although no remaining period records noticed him while he was alive. We certainly have Jesus around us almost every day, with churches on every road. We are constantly reminded of Jesus probably more than the other figures, but yet if we go into a church and ask Christians what it means to be Christian, it is really hard for them to answer.

Most Christians do not give up their wealth and follow the holy spirit. Jesus never said we should go to Church and worship him, instead his example was to live communally with friends and practice religious compassion. Modern Christians want their property and their capitalist profit; that’s how most of us live our lives. Most Christians would not ‘turn over tables’ even in metaphoric churches, because Fox News and other corporate media conditions them in their homes as consumers. Commercial propaganda keeps people silent about politicians who keep spending our money on weapons and taking us to war. What would Jesus do? Would Jesus spend more on the military than all other countries? I don’t think conservatives have asked that question enough; if they want to spend so liberally on authoritarian budgets, they are not progressive on social issues like Jesus was. My New Testament understanding of Jesus is that he was profoundly anti-establishment in mostly passive ways. Now yes he did proclaim (according to the Bible) that he was the ‘son of God’, but he also said that we are all the ‘children of God’. Jesus also didn’t put much stock into earthly class systems or elite nobility. Our ability to love each-other was most important to him, which meant loving our enemies as well as our neighbors, as well as our family, as well as ourselves.

The Emperor of Rome (coincidentally also son of a god) would have considered accounts of early christians much like how Nixon reacted to hippies, but with less interest or subtlety. The Kent State shooting and the MK-Ultra project were sensitive compared to the more formal crucifixions and arena events; although I expect there were many undocumented tactics used unofficially in the streets by Roman soldiers too. Sharing wealth of property and goods was crucial for Jesus and gang, in between healing the poor and not chasing profit. Authorities mocked that hippy rebel and his proclamations of peace and love as the king of the Jews, with the crown of thorns on his head and the procession of pain carrying the cross.

His lessons were about helping those less fortunate, rather than giving wealth to the rich who ‘earned it’. Ask the Jesus in your heart “who deserves help the most; those greedy hoarding wealth already, or those who could use some and will spend it?” Collective compassion flies in the face of corporate assholes like Trump and those who want to be selfishly ignorant because “god damn it we don’t give a f@ck.” Everyone knows that making martyrs who people later worship defeats the purpose of killing them; but cultural ignorance is perennial even among elites. Reflecting on past mistakes is weird while still doing them. We might feel it was stupid and cruel that those people in the past killed Socrates, Jesus, and MLK; and we’ve come such a long way like when the FBI says MLK was such a great guy historically, although we know their boss wrote that death threat to MLK and probably had him assassinated (if it wasn’t some other covert militant agency that most don’t hear about because they redact most of their official public documents when they actually do release information).

  • to be continued…

 

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May we declare Peace more than War

Posted in Cooperative collaboration, Ethics & Morals, Military, news, relationships, Sustainability, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on January 9, 2020 by Drogo

May we declare Peace more than War.

This is our SCOD prayer for 2020.

Most times any first world government declares war, it is MIC propaganda based to benefit war profiteers not the people of the country. People don’t learn from history enough to fix the cultural instincts that allow leaders to lead us into wars. It is not brave to constantly threaten others; bad neighbors do that all the time when they do not take time to communicate in good ways. We would have more peace if we were not so quick to be fooled by greedy rich people who profit from war. We do not have more peace or freedom declaring constant war against natives in other countries, as more of our poor are forced to live under martial law to pay their debts. We can barely sustain the peace and freedom we have by selling out ethically and economically to the MIC, because they want our money for health care and infrastructure and arts to pay for their military industrial products. We need to fix our own countries from within, not try to change everyone else’s country for us.

Fuck war hawks 007-style, no more lies for war. Take some time to think about what peace is everyday, and if you can’t then fuck yourself. It is easy to be stupid about things we do not study, in both war and peace.

Trump killing the Iran general was stupid because 1. We need to declare peace and get our military out of the middle east, which that general was helping to do. 2. We need to let Iran continue to fight ISIL, as that general was best known for fighting terrorists. 3. Declaring war based on lies will be added to all the other times our MIC lied us into endless wars. 4. The Iraq leaders we put in power are pissed at us now, and that general never attacked our military or civilians (maybe a mercenary was killed is the most i have heard). 5. This may force Iran to pursue a nuclear program like North Korea to deter our aggression in their area (Wilkerson’s main concern).

Imagine if Russia just bombed a Mexican airport to kill one of our generals who was trying to solve the immigration crisis. How would we take it? Is that behavior acceptable? The “quagmire” of our involvement in endless war in the middle east has a long and twisted history. Our CIA and Pentagon have been working against both Iran and Iraq for years. In modern history our CIA overthrew the Iranian government and supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war; then we went to war with Iraq twice. 

“The 1953 Iranian ’28 Mordad’ coup d’état was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi; orchestrated by the US (Operation Ajax) and the UK (Operation Boot). After the 1968 Ba’athist coup Iraq fell into the Soviet sphere of influence, so the CIA colluded with Iran to destabilize Iraq by arming Kurdish rebels. Beginning in 1982, the CIA began providing Iraq intelligence during the Iran–Iraq War. Donald Rumsfeld met Saddām in 1983 and 1984, when the UN reported that Iraq had used chemical attacks against Iranian troops. The NY Times reported that “American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with Iraq and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been established in all but name. In 1984, the CIA “established a formal intelligence liaison” with the Mukhabarat, which provided the CIA with information on terrorist groups including the Abu Nidal Organization. However, there was a delay between the CIA’s provision of intelligence to the Mukhabarat and that intelligence being received and analyzed by the Iraqi military, which resulted in much of it not being actionable. Therefore, the CIA eventually began working directly with Iraqi military intelligence, thereby negating its leverage on Iraqi-sponsored terrorism. In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the US learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. US intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent. The CIA was also involved in the failed 1996 coup against Saddam Hussein.” – Wikipedia

“It’s a pity both sides can’t lose (commenting on Iran-Iraq war, 1980 – 1988)” ― Henry Kissinger

It is not isolationist to declare peace and work both internally and together, it is humanist.

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Response to ‘May we Declare peace more than war” –

“But… in order to “declare peace” don’t you first have to have war? #pedantic (beamer)

In the most common black or white sense, yes. But others can declare war, while others sue for peace. so for example 2 sides declare mutual war, and a third mediator like Picard or Druids can declare Peace, and in fact must to force negotiations. but yes the war declarations still exist previously in the standard definition types.

However the issue of having to declare war seems to take for granted that we are always in peace, like during long cold wars where tensions are called war, one side could declare peace with signs and gifts of good will more often than is currently standard practice perhaps. whether we need to have the other to declare the other, depends on the “state” condition perspective.

To me the role reversal that questions the nature of war and peace, is “peace has broken out”! Qhile ceasefires and treaties have been celebrated as declarations of peace, we rarely hear that peace has broken out, only war breaks out, so peace is more like a purgatory reality (war being hell) instead of a paradise reality.

The monty python use of “peace has broken out” got me questioning the use of the term peace more as a news announcement. Since i began studying Roman history i always wondered about the Pax Romana architecture celebrations after military victories, as really being celebrations of aggressive authority peace keeping by violent wars.

Peace being used as a default ignores the threat and actions of violence by authority who are the ‘peace keepers’ and can initiate violence which can be blamed on the rebels or poor who are homeless and loitering. so to me peace could break out on a calm street in nazi germany for example; where it was business as usual with no immediate violence, but suddenly people were nicer and giving flowers and the police threw away their weapons. this ridiculous example would be ‘peace breaking out on an otherwise mundane busy day’; now whether peace is more calm or active is another question too.

 

“Battles are being fought today in the shadow of impending peace looming over the battle fields like some grim specter of gentleness and caring.” – Beamer

Yes Other Animals Wage War

Posted in biology, Ethics & Morals, History, Military, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , on December 2, 2019 by Drogo

Yes some other animals besides humans go to war. The word ‘war’ is vague enough to cover unintelligent conflicts between groups of any species. War does not require much planning besides basic organization and group collusion to wage a primitive series of battles comprising a war. In fact even many insects and other hive-minded beings go to war. War seems to be very instinctual for several species, not just our own.

 

An article by National Geographic disagrees, but their semantic arguments regarding ‘war’ are weak. What do you call it when ants storm other insect colonies in huge numbers simultaneously and not only kill using tactics, but also take resources and slaves to expand their own colonies? War is basically group hunting, except the ‘prey’ are groups of enemies who can engage in war or ‘group hunting’ also. 

 

Public consensus without studying the scientific evidence tends to be that only humans wage wars; because we have advanced brains, intentions, strategies, and technology; as with the similar claim regarding ‘art’. Clearly there are some other animals who deliberately do art, for the same basic motivations we make anything – to get mates or make nice shelters. The same is true for war. Clearly there are some other animals besides us, who deliberately decide to follow a leader into a battle, which leads to more conflicts, ultimately becoming what we call a war. As we have seen with human politics, not much is needed when the powerful decide to mobilize unquestioning underlings with threats; in fact sometimes not even legal authorization, just collusion in the form of funding support.

 

So yes long after homo-sapiens warred and bred with neanderthals we have retained a natural instinct for war; however it is also part of evolution for us to use our complex enlightened brains regarding violence in civilization. Intelligence can be used wisely and ethically if we can find more ways to influence others using rewards rather than threats.

[see Aldous Huxley vs George Orwell]

 

Corporate Neo-Fascist Politics

Posted in Military, news, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on October 26, 2019 by Drogo

Neo-liberals and Neo-conservatives leaders are basically Neo-fascists by default; using corporations to control government and deny civil rights and promote war. Voters have been tricked to vote for the 2-party neo-fascist system, just as they were in Germany before WW2, so shaming Trump or Hillary voters is not useful in the reconditioning process. Post WW2 Germany is an example of how voter shaming can back-fire. The fall of the Berlin Wall was popular because of how punishing people for bad leaders can be, without giving them reasons to change ideology.

Fascism does not believe in real democracy, and in manifestos it has claimed this is because democracy never works. Neo-fascism differs from conventional Fascism because it hides behind political-correctness (polite manners), and avoids using bold terms like racism or ‘Nazi’. Neo-fascists instead prefer slogans like ‘New World Order’, ‘Mission Accomplished’, and ‘Yes We Can!’. Neo-fascists believe nothing should stand in the way of Capitalist business, not even problems of peace or pollution.

Currently peace and environmental activists are being attacked by the Hillary DNC, who accuses them of being treasonous foreign agents of Russia. The New Red Scare is being used by Neo-liberals to attack both Trump (who functions as a Neo-conservative, despite his fake populist platitudes) and far-left leaders. This tactic will totally break the voter base for the DNC, by severing the far-left completely from ever voting for their candidates again; because they would rather have Trump win again (because he is pro-business), if they cannot get their candidates to win (Hillary & Biden recently).

The scary part of all this is that their Neo-fascist propaganda has worked, for two reasons. One reason is because most voters do not have time to actually study political claims. The other reason is that DNC party-line voters believe that the lesser of two evils is better, and that Hillary would not have done as many bad things as Trump is doing. There is much truth to that claim that Trump is a piece of shit, and should never have been made president. The bizarre fact that Trump was made president by the electoral college (Hillary won the popular vote), has made some of us wonder what is really going on. The Neo-liberal DNC wants us to believe we should blame Jill Stein, and anyone that would want to run as a third-party candidate (like Nader or Perot were blamed before). So their propaganda against peace and environmental activist leaders has landed, because it is assumed that of the choice between Trump and Hillary, one of them is better. Neo-fascists do not want us thinking that both elite candidates of the 2-party system are committing crimes against humanity and our US Constitution, because then their gig is up. They would rather one of the two win, or none at all.

Their ‘One Thousand Points of Light’ (Bush Sr.) CIA strategy is having a constant war of terror, to never allow real democracy of direct vote to have any power. They will not even allow us to have ranked-choice voting in our Republic. The New Red Scare continues, which ironically fuels our state communist MIC (Military Industrial Complex) with our taxes.

If Biden (or another DNC pick) wins, the Hillary DNC will increase attacks on us using the New Red Scare, which could lead to more Congressional Hearings and prison for Sanders, Tulsi, and Stein voters (who are all branded as either Socialist or Russian by the Neo-fascists). Nationalist corporate fascists are scared that voters might want real democracy. Ecological development and peaceful negotiations are more patriotic than selling out to big business to pollute and bomb the planet; do not let them fool us again! Bernie Sanders may come the closest to uniting the entire Left with the Centrist WORKING CLASS Right (blue collar, not white collar), on issues like Health Care and Worker Rights (Jobs).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Area 51 – US Secret X-Base

Posted in Commercial Corporations, History, Military, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , on October 23, 2019 by Drogo

Area 51 is part of the Nevada Test Site area, run by Top-Secret Military and Industrial Corporations. The facilities use scientists and engineers to work on weapons and ‘ufo’ vehicles. ‘U.F.O.’ simply means ‘unidentified flying object’. Some speculate that aliens are responsible for many ufos; but even if only humans are operating ufos (even just the ones that have been documented by the military and scientific civilians), Area 51 and related operations would still be worth studying.

Capitalism vs Communism Death Tolls

Posted in Critical Commentary of Civilization, Economics, History, Military, Politics, Sustainability, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on October 11, 2019 by Drogo

The genocide totals by Communist and Fascist regimes should be considered in the historic context of the political labels as a response to Capitalism, and why that was. Both ideologies operated economically as National Capitalism, of state market authoritarian control (totalitarianism). Genocide death tolls in this article include mass murder, war fatalities, and fatal causalities by various means (armed and unarmed killings).

Communism (Marxism in general) was a response to the horrors of Capitalism (wage exploitation, resource wars, and mass poverty). Marxists wanted democratic worker owned industry and government, not the dictatorships that they got. Fascism (National Industry) was the loyal child of Capitalism (not free-market, but monopolistic state crony capitalism run like a corporation, anti-democracy).

If we blame Nazis for starting WW2 then all military deaths on both sides (Allies + Axis) can be blamed on Fascism, which would bring the total killings for Fascists (4 regimes) to over 55 million (30m civilian genocide + 25m WW2 military). Communists still come in highest (25 regimes) at 75-100 million. Again all of them functioned as Capitalist Dictatorships, with very little social welfare for the masses, compared to the money spent on elites (business bosses and paid politicians) or the militaries.

Blaming economic-political systems gets messy, because how they function may not represent the ideology of their label. Capitalism and Christianity are responsible for more deaths than Communism and Atheism, as they existed for longer periods with more countries including Monarchies. So we could just add up all the death tolls of countries that call themselves Capitalist, and not include Fascist genocides.

ATTEMPTING THE IMPOSSIBLE – CALCULATING CAPITALISM’S DEATH TOLL

“Ignoring big wars due to capitalism and only focusing on US action and only including one year for things that are systemic (ie. poverty), which is being really damn conservative because Japan engaged in brutal imperialism, we get a total of 205,000,000 killed directly or indirectly because of capitalism.” – Guerilla Ontology

“Capitalist Genocide includes, but is not limited to:

United States:

US intervention in Latin America: 6.3 million dead
Invasion of Philippines: 650,000-3 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.2 million dead
Vietnam War: 10 million dead
Korean War: 10 million dead
Yugoslavia: 300,000 dead
Iran-Iraq War (US funding both sides): 1 million dead
US intervention in Congo: 5 million dead
US Civil War (financial vs land capitalists) 650,000 dead
Native American genocide: 95 million dead
African slave trade: 150 million dead
Indonesian purges against communists: 1 million dead (underestimate)
US Bombing of Laos and Cambodia: at least 1 million dead
US backed dictators: at least a few million

Britain:

Bengal Famine: 10 million dead
British Occupation of India: 20 million dead
Famine in Held British India: 30 million
Irish potato famine (British farmers could have helped): 1.5 million

Japanese imperialism in China and Asia: 12 million
South African apartheid: 3.5 million
Spanish Civil War: 350,000
French colonies: 1 million dead

Note that this does not include the number of children and adults alike in the First World, Second World, or Third World who have died from hunger and lack of access to basic needs of life. In total, the death toll of capitalism exceeds 1 billion. ” – Death Tolls of Socialism And Capitalism

What has killed more people: Communism or Capitalism?

600,000,000 Capitalist killings are added in the 3rd article.

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Communist genocide probably includes military battle deaths, but not Capitalist countries who use some form of Marxism (USA, England, etc), but does include Communist countries who use National Capitalism economically, and some forms of State Marxism internally for distribution. Communism death tolls are usually over-estimated by combining 25 dictatorial regimes that have called themselves ‘Communist’ or ‘Socialist’.

According to R. J. Rummel‘s book Death by Government (1994), about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, were killed by communist democide from 1900 to 1987.

In his introduction to the Black Book of Communism (1999), Stéphane Courtois gave a “rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates” approaching 100 million killed.

According to Benjamin Valentino in 2005, the number of non-combatants killed by communist regimes in the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China and Cambodia alone ranged from a low of 21 million to a high of 70 million.

In 2011, Matthew White published his rough total of 70 million “people who died under communist regimes from execution, labor camps, famine, ethnic cleansing, and desperate flight in leaky boats”, not counting those killed in wars.

Communist Mass Killings (genocides) total = 70-100 million apx.

So the largest estimate for Capitalism is 1.6 Billion (1,600,000,000) killings, which is much higher than the newer political-economic governments of Communism, Socialism, or Fascism. We could be generous to both and say that Communism and Capitalism have both killed over 200 million people combined, by discounting the history of Capitalism before 1900 and after 1950, and not blaming Communists or Fascist Capitalists for WW2.

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